I attended the small primary school in the picturesque village where I grew up. I have very fond memories of my time there and have always hoped for a similar experience for Mabel.
My primary school was Church of England, and as far as I can recall, I was one of the only children in my class not to have been christened. My parents do not follow a faith and I questioned them about their desicions to send me to a CofE governed school – both at the time of realising I was somehow different from many of my friends in that I wasn’t christened and I didn’t attend Church outside of school related visits, and then again directly related to writing this article.
Their response was that is was at least at the time, an excellent school in terms of eleven plus examination pass rates, and that they ultimately believed in the core values and principals of the education provided by the Church Of England.
When I was ten years old I told my parents that I was going to join the Church Choir and decide for myself whether I might want to be christened or not. They supported my decision and duly dropped me off and picked me up on a Wednesday evening and various Sundays for practice/services/bell ringing etc. I wasn’t so much precocious as I was entrepreneurial – most weddings a choir member would earn £2.50 which in the 1990’s would buy you a fair few packets of Space Raiders, Opal Fruits and a couple of pairs stick-on earrings from Tammy Girl. Maybe even a sequin hair scrunchie if the sales were on.
I loved the sense of community that my village church offered me, the festivals, the charity events, fetes and festive celebrations. My somewhat sketchy and admittedly rose-tinted memories of that time recalls a group of folks whose foundations lay in helping others and bestowing kindness and goodwill upon your friends, family and neighbours which on reflection, could only be a positive environment for a somewhat awkward pre-teen with a penchant for overtly adorned ponytails and Dirty Dancing. (It was my favourite film to watch with my grandparents on a Friday night whilst Mum and Dad were on the razzle dazzle, and no, the juxtapositon of being allowed to view this particular movie and less than 48 hours later appearing fully robed in Church singing Mozart’s Ave Verum Corpus is not lost on me – such is the kaleidoscope landscape that is parenting).
I currently find myself in a position where having extensively researched primary schools local to our new home that Mabel is in the catchment for, our firm favourite happens to be CofE.
At this point Mabel has not been christened. We have however been to an advent service at our beautiful local church and we plan on attending the Christmas carol concert later on in the month. Just like any parent, I want her to have the best education possible in a school where she is happy, healthy and safe. I also want her to be able to be exposed to our multi-faith and multi-cultural society. Ultimately I want to give her the opportunity, when she is experienced enough to understand, to choose. Whether that be what subjects she wishes to pursue for her GCSEs or whether she wishes to be a member of the Anglican Church.
To be absolutely clear, I have absolutely zero judgement towards any parent that decides to christen their children or indeed endeavour to encompass them in their chosen religion throughout childhood. It hasn’t escaped me that this is a contentious subject to feature, it is also very much part of my current decision making process/confusion/continually deliberating whirr in my exhausted brain as a mother and at the very core of blogging is essentially what we are currently dealing with in every day life.
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When choosing a primary school I think you ultimately need to research and then follow your gut and also remember that if you don’t get your first choice or you’re not blown away but any of the options, that her eduction at primary school is only part of the learning which she will do during those early years. As for religion, the school will teach her about Christianity but should also teach her a bit about other religions and atheism too. It’s then you decision whether you guide her towards a particular path and, as you have seen from your own experience, she will then make her own decisions as she gets older, whether due to wanting a sense of community, extra pocket money, a close connection with God or the fuzzy festive feeling from an advent service in a cute church. Good luck with the transition to primary school. I’ve got a few years before my daughter is of school age and I’m sure it’ll be a rollercoaster.
Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your advice, it’s exactly what frame of mind I currently find myself in – in terms of essentially just wanting Mabel to be happy, learn as much as she can and essentially (and eventually) choose he own path (and faith). x
Morning Charlotte, I was christened as a baby and my mum goes to church most Sundays and plays an active role in th church community. I went to Sunday school and then a youth fellowship group until I was around 17 when I went to university and Sundays became more about hangovers than hymns. When I was planning our wedding however I realised it was important to me to get married in a church and that got me to think about why. I ultimately do believe in god and find a great deal of comfort in being part of the church community. I knew I would want to get my children christened but wouldn’t do that without also taking them to church so when we bought our house I joined the local church ( Church of Scotland) and have gone most Sundays, the church is very pretty and the people are lovely and revisiting the Christian faith has given me peace and hope in what can be a cruel adult world. I know my boys will benefit from spending time at church and Sunday school as children and learning Christian values and they can then decide zfor themselves if the want to follow the faith. Sorry for the mega post, that all seemed complicated to explain. X
Sarah never apologise for a long comment – it’s so interesting to learn what route other parents have decided to do pursue. There is a great sense of community in our new village and there is a lot of social events that are centred around the local village pub/club (open Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays!) and the Church. I am making the effort to be involved where possible and I know Mabel will really benefit from all of the different activities and making friends with the children who live near by x
We live in a wonderful village community and attending the church carol service is really important to me in my sense of how the year moves. I have also realised it’s important to me to be reading S the story of the nativity at this time of year. It’s not the faith aspect but more the feeling of linking up with her heritage and giving her an understanding of the historical context of so much of our culture. Same reason I wanted to be married in church, part of a chain of hundreds of years of people making promises to each other in the same spot.
But I won’t have her christened. As you say it is her choice, but also I’m influenced by my parents and own experiences. They got me “done” (lapsed Catholics, major pressure from their mothers) and regretted it- a hugely uncomfortable day all round apparently. And while I was delighted and honoured to be asked to be a godparent, standing up in a church and lying about praying for my godchild did not sit well with me. I don’t want to do that again as a parent.
Great post Charlotte.
Lucy absolutely on the heritage and giving Mabel an understanding of the historical context of so much of our culture. Her nursery are not having a nativity play as such but they have been teaching them the story of it and why we celebrate Christmas. What with the stresses of moving house the pressure to find (and get her into) a really good school has been really challenging, it’s so reassuring to hear the experiences of readers on RMF and realise there are many other Mums out there facing the same difficulties.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment x
This has always been a bit of a disagreement in our house. My husband is an atheist and although I don’t attend church regularly I suppose I want the girls to have the same experiences I did. As a child I went to Sunday school, sang in the church choir (for the same reasons as you!!), was christened, went to C of E school etc etc. Most randomly I actually used to go to one Sunday School with Edd, he went under duress and only for the toffee at the end! We got married in my old village church as it meant a lot to me. It’s part of my childhood and also where important people in my life are buried. Anyway, I really wanted to get the girl’s christened. Edd didn’t. He was adamant they should choose their own path. Eventually when we were expecting Alice I got him to relent and the girls were Christened in a small service at our now local church. The village school is C of E and that never entered the discussion of if they should go there. It is an excellent school and Edd may not agree with them doing prayers, singing hymns and was distraught when Molly won RE star of the week, BUT I love that they are having the same style of schooling I did. They do learn about all different faiths and as well as the Christian celebrations they focus on lots of others too so I think they are getting a balanced view. Also, I’m with you that the carol concerts in village churches are so good. I’m looking forward to ours on Christmas Eve. There is a real Donkey from the farm next door and everything! xxx
Gosh we must have discussed this subject at length over the last 6 or so months (thank goodness for tea and cake!). James has a very similar outlook to Edd, but respects my personal views and agrees on the first choice school.
As an aside I was an A grade RE student – we were not able to take it any further that year 9 at my senior school but I would have if I could, I used to find it fascinating x
I did GCSE RE and got an A . I even considered it for Alevel but our school didn’t have enough interested in it. We covered all types of Christianity mainly (I used to be able to tell you the significance of a bishops outfit and could recite marriage vows very well at 15!).
We decided to get Felix christened as we thought it would be a nice thing to do after his abrupt arrival 5weeks early and it also gave us a 3rd primary school option. Our local church is lovely and has a family service once a month which is borderline feral son months!
I’m unsure what question you are posing, is it to send Mabel not christened or to have her christened to go?
Having a child christened is stating to god that you are going to bring them up within the church and it’s values if that is not the case the child should not be christened.
I am an atheist so have no real opinion but many family members are ministers so understand what is expected of a family when they do have a child christened.
She will be just fine going to the school and not having been christened if it’s not mandatory. I live in Scotland so this situation is not known up here, we have catholic schools but not specific Church of Scotland. I personally don’t believe in schools being segregated into religious groups but in order to get the best education it seems some people do have to jump through hoops and it just seems rather hypocritical.
Pick one your happy with and she can decide for herself when she’s older if she is religious or not.
Hi Jill, I’m not asking a question as such, more that I find myself in a certain situation and am interested to learn from others experiences.
As you have mentioned certain schools do have requirements that your child is christened/attends the local church regularly if they are to have a chance of being admitted (regardless of your home distance from the actual school) which must be very challenging for parents who simply want their child to have the best education/experience possible. The subject of hypocrisy has come up on several occasions when discussing this whole situation with my husband, various friends, family and the team themselves. It’s quite the minefield. x
Interesting topic this morning! I was christened, my parents married in a church when I was little, went to CoE school etc. I am not religious though and neither of my parents. It was really a tradition thing. My village school did a lot in the community, spent time with the elderly during harvest festival/Christmas etc. I really wanted the same for my son but my husbands family are Muslim. He is not, and has faced a lot of difficulties in choosing his own path. He is adamant our children must be able to make their own choices when they are older. So no christening and we are not yet at school age, so we will have to see what our options are at the time. I’d love my son to go to a little village CoE like the one I did, but actually as long as it’s the best school for him, that’s what matters.
Hi Anna, what an interesting experience – I can completely understand why your husband feels the way he does and also why you have the desires you do personally.
I need to do some more research/investigation into the school situation for Mabel, she won’t essentially start until September 2018 but it’ll be here before you know it! x
This is a really interesting post Charlotte. My daughter is 3 months old now and as my in-laws are firm methodists I am just waiting for the christening question to be raised. I wasn’t christened and don’t follow a religion but that doesn’t mean to say that I wasn’t brought up with good values and morals and this is how I intend to bring my daughter up.
Hi Philippa, absolutely, My in-laws do not follow a religion either so I don’t have the added pressure there. It is certainly a very interesting subject for discussion, thanks so much for your feedback x
An interesting post (and comments) this morning and something I’ve thought about a lot. It ultimately comes down to what we think is best for our children whether we enjoy being a part of a church or hated being pushed into it. We’ve had our little girl christened when she was a baby but that’s because it’s something we believe in and have had a good experience with. We make so many important choices for our children and I guess it’s just another one of those. I also have a friend who decided to be baptised when she was 16 and frankly she makes a better catholic than me so there’s no harm in letting them chose their own path either. On the topic of schools we’re not currently thinking of sending Anna to a catholic school so just go with the one you like the most and she’ll be fine baptised or not.
Hi Kat! It is literally a coincidence that the “best” school happens to be CofE, when we lived in our old house we backed onto the playing field of a very good primary which was an academy, Mabel was automatically in the catchment which was another reason why it was so difficult to move away.
So interesting to hear about your friend being baptised when she was 16 – there were several older folks who chose to be christened at my childhood village church too. x
So interesting reading everyone’s comments and another topic close to my own heart. I was baptised and brought up in the catholic faith, attending catholic primary and secondary schools. I attended church with my sister and mum almost every Sunday and I’d say rather reluctantly as I hid under my duvet on a Sunday morning hoping my mum would forget I was there!! I went to Uni and forgot about my regular Sunday meetings with the big man above. A few years later I decided to return to church, my mum doesn’t go anymore but I wanted to see what my local church was like. I immediately loved the sense of community and have become a key member of the children’s liturgy team (Sunday school). My partner and I are not married but have two beautiful children and I take both of them to church most Sundays. My partner doesn’t attend as he’s an atheist but has always supported me and my faith. We are currently planning our sons baptism and have our eyes firmly set on the local catholic school for our daughter.
When it comes to choosing a school I think you will get a feel for the right one when you walk in. As a teacher myself I know this is totally true. My nightmare would be to walk into the school we have chosen on their open day and not experience the feeling that our daughter will be happy there. What would we do then!!!!!
Talking about baptisms/christenings I believe it’s something you should do if you are going to bring your son/daughter up as a practicing Christian. Unfortunately I know too many friends who have celebrated this sacrament as a means to get their child into a particular school. It frustrates me but it seems to be the way of the world due to school entry requirements and parents just wanting the best for their children.
It’s such a big topic, I’ve gone on long enough now!! Sorry, but thank you again for posting such an honest and topical article!
Pleasure Samantha and thanks so much for your sharing your thoughts, and yes the school entry requirements at certain schools does become the topic of many a heated debate. I know some of my own friends have decided to christen their littles to essentially gain them entry into a certain school, but also because they were/a sense of tradition etc etc
It’s a tough call – when fundamentally all we want is the best for our kids. x
Really interesting post! Although my baby isn’t even born yet (!) I have already started thinking about and researching schools. It seems the best one in the area (which also happens to be at the end of our road – which is a massive bonus!) is a CofE school. I wasn’t Christened although I do believe so am happy to send our child there but wondered how strict entry was, do you have to attend church regularly etc? Doesn’t sound like you do which is good to know. Will be following the comments closely – very intersting topic! x
Hi Kate, I think it really depends on the school – what I have found is there is a lot of information on entry requirements on the individual school websites. Some are very strict in terms of church attendance where as others go purely on distance from the school location. x
I will have to look into it a bit more, I still have plenty of time but like to get organised ha! xx
I don’t have any children yet (I love the blog and the subjects it raises) but I know that I would want my children christened. I was christened into the CofE but my husband has not been christened. A number of friends have had naming ceremonies and would like their children to decide for themselves when they are old enough whether or not they want to follow a religion. I am not overly religious – I like a good carol service and Easter bonnet etc but only attend church occasionally – and I would never force a religion on a child. My view is that I would like to set a foundation for a child by being christened and belonging to a faith and if they choose not to follow religion that would be fine. I think it is parents job to give some guidance but ultimately it is each individual’s choice.
Ps. I wasn’t confirmed and I am currently considering this now.
Hi Claire! Love that you read the blog as you enjoy the subjects we discuss, with regards the guidance aspect, I hope to furnish mabel with as much information as possible on as much as I know about a multitude of religious beliefs. of course from my own experience (and heritage) then CofE is essentially what I know most about. x
Very interesting post this morning – I must admit it doesn’t sit quite right with me when people want to send their children to faith schools because they’re “nice” schools rather than believing in the religious values they uphold. My family are religious (mum’s side v much so) and I went to a coe school although am pretty much atheist now so do see both sides.
I appreciate its difficult though as faith schools are often the best in the area and every child deserves a good education.
Hi Emma, absolutely agree on the last point, it is so difficult to juggle values, beliefs and ultimately wanting the best for your child. It’s been so insightful reading everyone’s thoughts x
Has anyone seen the BBC show “Rev” ? – there’s an episode where lots of parents and children suddenly start turning up to services as the school the church is attached to has got a good with elements of outstanding Ofsted report and church attendance is an admission requirement. The episode dealt with the issue in good humour I felt. My Mum’s cousin is a curate in London and I imagine her life to be exactly like “Rev!”
I’m atheist but love a good carol service – for me it’s the story of hope of a new baby and a new live. Unfortunately I know way too many out and proud Christians who definitely don’t leave their judgey pants at the door. Not the religion’s fault but it’s not exactly a good advert!
I work for the CofE and was invited to a dinner with some people who work for local churches. When I said I wasn’t married (I was already living with my now husband) they gasped and asked what my boss thought about that! Seriously!! There are some real Rev moments
No I haven’t seen this Claire! will investigate! x
Our children are at a CofE school and my husband and I are both christians but we actually haven’t had our children christened. For us, its so important that their faith is something real and something personal, that we will encourage them in but leave them to make their own decisions on. We’re at the stage now with our eldest that she wants to be baptised and even at 12 I’m keen that she really thinks about it carefully and doesn’t just do it because she has a great group of friends at church and they all want to. In contrast, a lot of her friends at school were christened for school admissions sake and, at times, have found it a little confusing to have this label that they are meant to ‘be something’ but that doesn’t really mean anything to them and isn’t a part of their family life at all. (this was my upbringing in fact and I wish my parents had done things differently) If I were in your situation I would just have a very honest chat with the vicar and say that you are interested in exploring whether church is a part of your new lives there but that you just don’t know how you feel about having Mabel christened and don’t really want to do it just for the school admission. A good vicar would see the integrity in that and so should a good school really. There are parents at our school who have ticked all the church boxes on their admission forms and then complain every time God is mentioned – I’m sure school would rather have a family who are respectful and honest and who are taking the decision seriously. On an aside, as Niema will be in the same school year… its just going too fast and I’m not even thinking about school for her yet… she’s just going to stay home and make jigsaws with me instead!
Amanda this was really helpful thanks! And I know what you mean, I didn’t want to have to consider schools but essentially it was a big consideration when choosing a new house/place to live. I know the first time she puts on a school uniform I will be in bits (!) x
I have found this all very interesting I must say! I am christened, but not confirmed, and would never choose to be. For me, if I am pushed I would say that I do believe in “something” like God, but I don’t believe whole heartedly in christianity, I find a lot of it difficult to believe in. I refuse to say certain bits of the service too, about asking for forgiveness of sins etc. My husband, however, was a chorister and finds church very comforting, and does believe. We got married in a church, and go to church semi-regularly, which I enjoy more for the community feeling and I must admit I do love singing hymns (and carols – hooray for Christmas!!). Plus I do pray for those who are sick or passed in particular, weirdly I do really relate to faith in those instances. We had our daughter christened, and I would absolutely do it again if we had another child. For me christening is about bringing them up in a faith, but they still have a choice ultimately. As for schools, around us CofE schools are very prescriptive, requiring regular church attendance (monitored), christening etc. We could go down that route but ultimately I think we prefer more choice in when we go to church (rather than making it a chore), and there are lots of other options around us too. CofE schools do of course teach roundly on religion, although with hymns etc. But that was true of all the schools I went to, which weren’t strictly CofE anyway. I would say go for it, if you pass the entrance criteria. The education will be brilliant, and the religion only a small part of it, I’m sure she will have a wonderful time – and it will be full of local children which is the most important thing. She will grow up in the community, which is what it is all about anyway.
Hi Annie, I had very similar feelings to you whilst being a member of my childhood church, some of it I found comfort in and some I simply couldn’t comprehend. I very much want Mabel to feel part of a community and be surrounded by local children – some the kids who live on our road have just started at the school that we favour.
On a side note, I love a good hymn! x
I was brought up in a baptist church where you choose to be baptised as an adult if you wish. As a baby you can be dedicated and that is when the family make a promise to God that they will share their understanding of the Christian faith with their child. It’s actually my sons dedication this Sunday! So it’s not Church of Scotland/catholic. For this reason, I wouldn’t choose a catholic school for my children. The best high school in our area is a catholic school but the next best school (although imo is just as good) is not and that would be my first choice.
Interesting topic though Charlotte. I do feel I’d like to play a bigger part in church life now that I have two babas. Your post has definitely given me some food for thought.
It’s such a difficult decision, isn’t it? I grew up catholic (though not overly strict), including church choir and having RE as one of my final subjects at school. My husband’s mum is Jewish, his dad atheist and he grew up without any religion and feels rather strongly about not forcing a decision on a baby.
I know a few people who had their little ones christened just to get them in the best school and whilst I understand the reasoning, it doesn’t sit quite right with me either. When we moved house, I took quite some time researching local schools as we were planning to have children once we were settled. Luckily, all the schools close by are excellent- and not tied to a religion.
In the end, I think everyone is trying to do the best for their little one and all you can do is keep an open mind and allow for an honest discussion.
This is a discussion I have been having with a number of friends and my husband recently as we’re currently doing the primary school rounds.
I am an atheist, and I feel quite strongly about the hypocrisy involved in people having their children christened and attending church to get their children into a church school, be it CofE or Catholic. I’m in London and if you don’t hit all the religious points (christened/baptised under 1, church attendance from before that point) there is absolutely no way you’d get a place – there isn’t the opportunity to ‘opt out’ and still have a place at the schools involved. So I do know people who have done this in order to gain their school place. Personally I couldn’t reconcile it with my own values, and while I do agree with the community that the church can offer there are other ways of accessing it – voluntary work, Rainbows/Brownies/Guides etc, without standing up in front of your family and friends making a promise that you have no intention of keeping beyond the age of 5, once you have your school place.
My husband was raised Catholic and was muttering about having our girls baptised which I said was absolutely fine except I would be having no part in it, and I would expect him to take them to church every Sunday as part of his commitment to raising them in the Catholic faith. He has gone very quiet about it since…
(NB – I’m not anti-religion, if my girls decide that they have faith in any religion then that’s their choice and I will support it. I’m anti using religion for your own ends).
Sara your comments are very similar to my situation, I married a family of Catholics, I was brought up going to a CofE church and attending regularly up to the age of 11, but I think I’m an atheist now. My in laws are now piling on pressure for our son to go to catholic school because everyone in their family has gone to this school. Neither me or my husband want to have him baptised or are bothered about him attending said school .My son is 2. My husbands family do not go to church regularly, in fact they only go for ‘occasions’. I feel my in laws want us to go down this route for the ‘theatre’ of christenings, holy communion ceromonies etc. I totally agree with your comment about using religion for your owns ends. It should be about a commitment to a faith you believe in, not about getting into a great school. I feel that my son will take out of school what he puts in, I’d rather spend my time supplementing learning at home and helping him see the value of any education than make false promises in a place that means so much to other people.
I’ve read the odd article on this website previously but never commented, and weirdly enough, the subject that prompted me to comment is really something that will never directly affect me. I don’t have children, through choice, but I do randomly have quite a strong opinion on this subject.
I absolutely completely ‘get’ that parents want the best for their children (I have a herd of nephews/nieces/godchildren/friends children and want the best for each and every one of them). And I would obviously want the best for my own had I chosen to have them.
However, if I did have children, I would want them brought up in my faith, and to attend the faith Primary School that I went to, which also happens to be a good school. I live in the same town but am not in the geographical catchment area for the school so would not have priority status even though I still follow my faith.
So the reality of it is, if I had children (and i’m sure are many people in my area who do have children) I may lose out on a place to someone that just does what they need to do, ie. christened/baptised/attend church for the odd Sunday.
I hope nobody thinks I have commented to be controversial – as i said, it doesn’t directly affect me, I’m just interested in people’s opinions on parents who genuinely want their children to be educated in their faith school losing out on a place purely due to geography, to parents that want their child in the ‘best’ school which may happen to be that faith school.
Hi Cat. I find your comments really interesting so thank you. It’s such a hard decision. I had the girls Christened when they were young because I wanted them to be but have friends who have done it purely for school reasons (normally in a rush the year before they start and I can understand why. Our village school is CofE and children who are christened get priority regardless of location. The other two (not so local schools) are also CofE so if they became oversubscribed then you would be faced with long journeys. Our school is quite strict on this front though and I do know in previous years children in the village weren’t offered spaces as they went to children further away who were Christened. Our school also encourages all the children to attend family services so even after joining school they do still take an active part which I like. It’s such a tough one and it’s so good hearing all the different points of view x
As I said, I wasn’t attempting controversy, I am genuinely interested in people’s views on this. And i am certainly not ‘holier than thou’ (pun not intended 🙂 ), who’s to say if I did have children and another school of a different faith was ‘better’ than mine, that I wouldn’t put my faith aside and go for the better school for my children’s future, over my perceived strength of faith. I honestly can’t say for sure, but my non-parent mind tells me that I would be devastated that my (non existent) child couldn’t go to my chosen ‘faith’ Primary School because it was over subscribed.
Thank you for a very interesting discussion.
This is an interesting point. I imagine those parents might feel the same as those that can’t send their children to an excellent school because they can’t afford to pay the fees whilst other children get access to these. Whilst I see your point I believe that all children should have equal opportunity to attend the best schools in their area regardless of religion, faith, or “class”, but that’s just my personal opinion x
I find this really interesting because in Scotland we don’t have faith schools so I find it really strange that a Christening/Baptism would be a requirement to get into school. And as a Christian I find this discussion even more interesting because I am not sure on my own theology of baptising a child vs baptising an adult. The Baptist Church refuse infant baptism as they hold that only believers who have made the decision for them self should be baptised. Where as the Church of Scotland where I attend do baptise infants, but I am not sure I personally agree with that (for my own non existent babies). So to throw school places into that just makes my head spin!
I think either way if people have their child christened/baptised they should know that doesn’t make them a Christian and doesn’t make them believe. It is just a promise to God from the parents to bring them up in within the church and also for the church congregation to pray for and support the child and family. The child will always make their own decisions later in life, you don’t need to feel like you are forcing anything on your child.
I am sure what ever decision you all make your child will be happy and have a great education both inside and outside of school. 🙂
That’s not strictly true. We have schools affiliated with the Catholic church in Scotland, although the entry requirements are not quite as stringent as CoE schools down south.
I didn’t know Scotland wasn’t as stringent Steph, really interesting to hear that from quite a few commenters on here. And yes you are right, it is a bit of a head spinner. I also didn’t know (or had simply forgotten) about the Baptist Church not baptising infants, again so interesting x
Interesting…just last night I went to church surgery to get school admissions forms signed by the Vicar. We have attended for 2 1/2 years and if it weren’t for schools probably wouldn’t have. However our catchment school is in special measures (even so I went round to see if it might be right for my daughter despite this and it just isn’t.) and every school around is oversubscribed, so that leaves the church schools.
Having attended church for the last couple of years I’m still unsure what my faith is; but I think we all get a lot out of it as a family anyway as its underlying message is about being a better person. The morals it teaches can only be a benefit to young children. I also think it will give my daughter some sense of familiarity when she starts school as she will know lots of the people we see on a Sunday.
I am probably one of the hypocrites some of the commentators mention, but it’s really hard when it’s no longer theoretical and you are actually making decisions that affect your children’s future.
Anon thanks so much for your honest and thoughtful contribution, I am quite sure you are one of many parents who find themselves in a very similar situation. The underlying message you mention is certainly what I took away as a child from Church/school, more so than anything else x
I think your point about it being a difficult choice when it’s not longer a theoretical one is a very valid one. The fact is that all children should be entitled to a good level of education and parents shouldn’t have to jump through these sorts of hoops to obtain it – in an ideal world people would be able to choose faith schools because they also provide more insight and support into their faith; not because it’s the only way to obtain a reasonable standard of teaching. We were in a similar situation to you as the only school we’re in catchment for was in special measures until this April when it was reinspected and upgraded to Good. Luckily we do like it because we’ve also been seriously looking at moving and/or going private.
One thing it definitely is is a minefield.
I have really enjoyed reading both this post and the comments. We haven’t had our daughter christened and to be honest never really discussed it. We don’t go to church and we weren’t married in a church, although we did look into that as the church is important to my mother in law. However, on discussing it with her she was very much ‘your day, your way’ and didn’t see the point to us getting married in a church we weren’t going to attend.
My parents didn’t christen me as they wanted me to choose a faith. Both came from families where religion was imposed on them from a young age and as a result both turned their back on it. We were always encouraged however to be kind, to help people and to treat people how you want to be treated, which I believe are core values of any religion.
We are a long way off looking at schools but seem to be in a good catchment for a few, some of which are academies and some are faith schools. I think at the moment I would opt for an acadamy, purely for the reason it is as good and would feel uncomfortable taking a place in a faith school that could go to someone for whom it is more important.
It used to really bother me that friends got their children christened for a school place. However, I can honestly say that now I am a mum, if we didn’t have a good school in catchment that wasn’t a faith school, I don’t know what I would do.
And don’t even get me started on my husbands plan to move away from above mentioned great catchment area for several schools, THE YEAR BEFORE she would start!
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Thank you for such an interesting topic, I came over from your insta as I’m a huge fan of all the Rock My pages…I don’t have children but would like to someday soon so i do often pop over to this page and this is something myself and my husband have discussed alot recently. We moved to our area (due to work) a year ago which has an abundance of brilliant private schools but hardly any good state schools – the best being CoE. Myself and my husband are atheists. I went to a CoE school and yes I will admit my mum was one of those people who took me there purely for the fact I lived in a deprived area of London where there weren’t many good schools and this one was the best. I enjoyed some aspects but there were alot of parts I remember not enjoying, particularly parts about sins and being good and bad. I was such a worrier (I still am) that I used to worry all the time about being “bad”. (Just my experience!) I went on to go to a non religious state junior school. That being said, it has still crossed my mind to send my children to a CoE school, and yes me and my husband admit that it would probably be hugely hypocritical to do so – but at the same time we know we would want the best for our child. Recently we have felt so disheartened and have kind of lost faith in humanity this year with all the things which have gone on politically and in the news. Due to this we have considered whether we should start visiting our local church and whether being part of that community could help us in that respect and help us restore some of that faith. We could then get a sense of whether we wanted to choose this path and be certain a CoE school was for our family. If in the end we decided it wasn’t for us then I think I would reevaluate whether I should send our child to a CoE school knowing that. It’s interesting reading everyone’s comments. It’s nice to know that children in CoE schools are taught about all religions and even atheism. It’s so important to understand and be tolerant of others and enable children to make up their own minds. Sorry for the long post x
This is such an interesting comment thread (and shows people can talk about religion without getting argumentative too… Hurray!)
I currently lead a CofE church (I have a fancy title of being the Bishop’s officer and Church Warden and whilst we’re between vicars, I’m scarily in charge whilst also 8.5 months pregnant!!) and hubby’s job used to be training vicars so we’re pretty deep in the whole church thing. But despite being a wand carrying, full on Anglican (I get a ceremonial wand supposedly… I don’t even know why!) we have decided that we won’t be getting our babies Christened, so I don’t know what we’d do if we had to for schools admissions! We definitely do want our kids to go to the local CofE school, which is a good school but ofsted wise isn’t actually as good as the non Church school that we’re also in catchment for, so i guess we’d be putting the faith element as more important to us? But mainly I think it’s because we’re keen for our kids to be able to learn about lots of faiths (obviously we’d like them to be Christians like us, but want them to make their own choice when they want to- hence not getting them christened) and my experience of working in lots of schools is that the faith schools are much more open to teaching about lots of different world views than the ‘non faith’ ones who just teach ‘no faith’. That is totally fine if that’s what you want, but I guess is much more restrictive if you want your child to come to their own decisions on faiths and religion as they’ll need to learn about it from somewhere? I do wonder if school (or parents or whoever) not teaching a child about a faith is more neutral than teaching them about a faith too, as long as it’s not forced upon them? I guess we just try to teach our kids what we think is best and then let them make up their own minds- so me telling my kids bible stories and praying for others before bedtime isn’t necessarily any more indoctrinating on their future decisions than someone else choosing to not do that with their child?
Oops that was long. But yeah mainly… Wands. The CofE is basically Hogwarts. That would swing it for me.
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I’ve found this really interesting to read (and completely agree with Beth S that’s it’s great to see a post discussing religion in a calm and thoughtful manner) mainly because I grew up in the Highlands of Scotland where schools aren’t affiliated with religion, you just go to the school closest to you as there’s no other option! It wasn’t until my sister started teaching in Glasgow, 6 years after I moved there at 18, that I realised schools were split by religion. RE has been mentioned a few times, to me this is religious education and would include all religions, is that true in England too or is just focused on the religion of the school? I ask simply out of curiosity/nosiness! Lx